Mentally Challenged, Raped, Pregnant. Abort?

While Barack Obama proclaims White House support to the UN Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities to which India is a signatory, the Indian Supreme Court has delivered a landmark judgment in a unique case of young woman in India. My apologies, but the subject necessitates a lengthy post.

Background

Born in 1991, this woman was abandoned by her family in ‘98, when she was just seven years old. After a few years with the Missionaries of Charity, she went to her new home: the state-run Nari Niketan in Chandigarh, India. Though she is 18 years old today, she is said to have the IQ equivalent of a 9 year old. In this state-run institution, she was repeatedly raped by the staff, four of whom have been arrested. All this came to light only when she was shifted from there to another state-run institution Ashreya. The latest unsubstantiated evidence casts further doubt on where exactly she was raped, and on the entire police investigation so far.HandicapLogo

When medical investigation revealed that the woman was pregnant, the Chandigarh Administration decided that it was in her best interests to abort the pregnancy. The girl expressed an unambiguous and unequivocal desire to keep the child. Responding to the state’s petition, the state High Court ordered an immediate termination of pregnancy.

A Delhi based lawyer Suchita Srivastava challenged the order, filing a petition in the Supreme Court. After several days of intense debate in the media as well as the public, the Supreme Court refused to allow termination of pregnancy, and stayed the High Court order.

Advocate Tanu Bedi who had earlier assisted the High Court as amicus curiae, argued for the woman, against Administration counsel Anupam Gupta. The highlights of the debate in court as reported in the press offer the gist of the arguments and the court’s judgment.

The State

  • “Consent of the victim cannot be decisive. The so-called consent of the girl is no assent either in law or fact.”
  • Reacting to the statement that mild mentally challenged people have the capability to take a decision for themselves, Gupta said: “This is a myth, which is completely belied by present scientific knowledge. It is a structural edifice of myth built on a foundation of highly wishful postulates of mental retardation. The argument is underlied by sincerity and overload of commitment, yet it is mere euphoria.”
  • Dismissing the emphasis that the girl’s desire to give birth was ultimate, Gupta said: “If this expression of desire is taken as consent, it will be a complete travesty of consent in moral, philosophical and legal category. How can one question her regarding termination of pregnancy when she does not even understand what pregnancy is? She is blissfully oblivious of her pregnancy and unaware of the sexual act.”
  • Reacting to the argument that children of mentally challenged rape victims can be taken care by institutes like Nari Niketan and Ashreya, Gupta said: “It’s easier said than done. We seem to be living in a realm of imagination. I am not trying to run down the argument by calling it a fantasy but such change, although welcome, is yet an illusion in our society.”
  • Senior counsel Colin Gonsalves, appearing for a social worker in favor of abortion, cited medical reports and said the continuation of pregnancy could result in complications, considering the girl’s age, mental status, and previous surgery. He said she was not aware that there was a child inside her, and hence could not mother a child.

The Woman

  • “It would be a travesty of justice if a mother has to come to the highest court of the land to seek permission to give birth to her own child”.
  • Consent of the victim matters most. “She is not mentally incompetent to give consent. Despite her communication problems, she has expressed her desire to give birth to the child. She has immense strength and resilience. We don’t even know our destiny, how can we script the future of someone else?” concluded Bedi.Pregnant_belly_button
  • Ms. Bedi argued that doctors did not form the opinion that termination of pregnancy was in the best interests of the girl, and that the medical report suggested that she required support and supervision to help her raise the child.
  • Counsel argued that termination of pregnancy against the mother’s wish was against the provisions of the Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act, 1971, and the Rights of the Disabled.
  • If her mental age is a consideration for the judiciary to think that she cannot take care of her baby, why should poor women, who are found lacking in bringing up their children, be allowed to become mothers?
  • Ms. Bedi said India was a party to international conventions that uphold and preserve the rights of the disabled, which had been given the go-by in the impugned order. “We have to respect the girl’s right to life”, she said.
  • Ms. Bedi argued that the victim had a right to give birth to her child. She said the National Trust constituted under the National Trust for the Welfare of Persons with Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Mental Retardation and Multiple Disabilities Act, 1999, had agreed to provide her social and financial support and take care of the child after delivery. Counsel for the Trust said it was funding several institutions and would support the girl.

The Court

  • Before the judgment: “What you say is right if she is not a mentally retarded person,” Chief Justice Balakrishnan told Ms. Bedi. “We are worried about her future also because she is an orphan. No NGO is going to look after her. It is a difficult decision for us.”
  • “We are not in favor of termination of pregnancy. If there are no further complications to the woman in continuation of her pregnancy, then why abort a life?”Scales_of_Justice_(PSF)
  • “We are sure that somebody will be in a position to give protection to the child. Our anxiety is the fetus is already 19 weeks. The second medical opinion says her physical condition is good to bear the child. The child is not suffering from any deformity. Nature will give her biological protection. If somebody is ready to take care of the child, should we even then order medical termination of pregnancy? Nature will take care on its own.”
  • Justice Sathasivam told Gupta: “Is it not possible for the Chandigarh administration to take care of the child? Is it not your responsibility to protect her?”
  • “We know as a natural mother she will not be able to take care of the child. But if somebody is ready to look after the child, then there would not be any problem.”
  • After being satisfied that several national-level NGOs had come forward to take responsibility of the child, the 3-member bench was reluctant to accept any other arguments supporting her abortion.
  • Acknowledging that if a baby is aborted against her wishes, it would cause further trauma to the woman, the court ordered that the baby should be born with “mother under constant care and supervision”.

I have no way of assessing general public opinion, but in my experience, the opinion regarding the court’s judgment has been largely negative. See this blog post by Aditi Ray on Sulekha. Prerna’s post has a slew of comments criticizing the judgment.

The Bioethics Discussion Blog asks readers’ opinion regarding permanent sterilization of mentally disabled women, and asks if disability rights groups should ever sacrifice the disabled individual to the group’s agenda. I also found an interesting student paper at the University of Kentucky’s Dept. of Philosophy, Health Care Ethics on mentally retarded women and forced contraceptives. Finally, the UN’s Women with Disabilities page is a gateway to much more information and links.

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37 Comments

  • Mahen­dra

    I find the whole case very puz­zling. It turns on the def­i­n­i­tion, the highly sub­jec­tive def­i­n­i­tion of men­tal retar­da­tion, con­flated with the issue of con­sent, con­flated with the issue of a woman’s rights on her own body, the body that has been vio­lated against her con­sent mainly because she is not fully men­tally capa­ble. It goes round and round. I def­i­nitely do not envy the Supreme Court lawyers their job of decid­ing what to do/ what to have done.

    All this apart, I want to know — what hap­pened to the rapist? And why should he, assum­ing he is sound of mind (although why a sound mind man should rape a woman in his “care” is beyond my imag­i­na­tion!), not look after the child? But then again what kind of father might a rapist make? And what is to say he won’t abuse this child?

    For a change, I do not wish to air my opin­ion which is dri­ven by my hav­ing seen at close quar­ters what parental neglect can do to a child in a soci­ety like ours.

  • I am very clear on this. I am pro-abortion but not pro-murder. A baby after 25 weeks is a human being and deserves the right to live. There are hun­dreds of peo­ple who would be will­ing to take care of the child. Adop­tion pro­ce­dures in India are unfor­tu­nately cum­ber­some and this is where we need to step up.

  • //should poor women, who are found lack­ing in bring­ing up their chil­dren, be allowed to become mothers

    I should be the last per­son to com­ment on women and preg­nancy, but I found one par­tic­u­lar argu­ment very appalling. I’ll boldly say that I feel that half of the par­ents out there don’t know how to raise a child, or don’t want to — but are forced to do it under the norms and expec­ta­tions of soci­ety. But using this argu­ment to sup­port the subject’s appeal to keep the baby, is unjustified.

    // Is it not pos­si­ble for the Chandi­garh admin­is­tra­tion to take care of the child?

    I also think that the anti-abortion argu­ment is overly ego­ist and self-congratulatory. What’s the plan to raise the baby? Give it to the gov­ern­ment? i.e. give the baby to the same admin­is­tra­tion that ‘took care’ of the sub­ject at Nari Nike­tan. Again, I don’t under­stand how a par­ent can be absolved of her respon­si­bil­ity so easily.

    Unfor­tu­nately, women are the vic­tims — as always.

    Over­all, I think there’s a com­plete lack of ratio­nal­ism in this judg­ment. It might be ide­al­ist, but who cares about idealism?

  • > This case is unique in that it places a pro-choice
    > activist against the abor­tion.
    mahen­dra — Why is that unique? Doesn’t pro-choice sim­ply means choice which includes both for and against abor­tion as deter­mined by the woman? Yes they are mostly pit­ted against “anti-abortion” — but that doesn’t mean we should expect them to be always “pro-abortion“or that this is an unique aber­ra­tion. You know very well that pro-choice at the heart, and its spirit means to leave the choice to the woman. This — even if we even­tu­ally feel that her choice is wrong, or if her judge­ment seems sus­pect to us.

    But I won­der if the pro-choice peo­ple con­sider “what if a par­tic­u­lar woman’s judge­ment is bound to be sus­pect because she is clin­i­cally estab­lished as men­tally disturbed/unstable/retarded”. I am pro-choice, and I must admit that this is a trou­bling ques­tion when I con­sider it. Once some­one is deemed clin­i­cally retarded (a deci­sion which itself is not 100% reli­able), do they still retain all their rights?

    This is obvi­ously a com­plex and chal­leng­ing issue. Although I have not combed through the details, IMO, the court seemed to have made a prag­matic deci­sion. I say this mainly because the core sen­ti­ments behind these:

    1. “Our anx­i­ety is the fetus is already 19 weeks. The sec­ond med­ical opin­ion says her phys­i­cal con­di­tion is good to bear the child. The child is not suf­fer­ing from any defor­mity. Nature will give her bio­log­i­cal pro­tec­tion. If some­body is ready to take care of the child, should we even then order med­ical ter­mi­na­tion of pregnancy?”

    2. (the first part of this state­ment:) “after sev­eral national-level NGOs had come for­ward to take respon­si­bil­ity of the child, the 3-member bench was reluc­tant to accept any other argu­ments sup­port­ing her abortion”

    The court effec­tively says: Is there a good chance for the child to be born healthy? Is there a good chance for the child to get care? Then let us respect her choice.

    This seems like play­ing both sides — but really only at the sur­face. Say, the sane woman instead WANTED abor­tion. Although i am not 100% sure, but I think the court would have made a sim­i­lar deci­sion. In that case, it would have been a pro-life argu­ment — the last state­ment would be “The let us go against her choice and allow the preg­nancy to its nat­ural com­ple­tion” :)

    Arun

  • It comes down to this: there can be no mean­ing­ful rights for a per­son with­out bod­ily sov­er­eignty. If you do not have con­trol of your body how can you take advan­tage of any other rights? Hav­ing bod­ily sov­er­eignty means the abil­ity to do things with your body that other peo­ple may believe con­sti­tute poor decisions.

    In this case, a young woman was already vio­lated in this regard. To force her to have an abor­tion would be a fur­ther violation.

    That she was able to express a desire to con­tinue the preg­nancy shows that she under­stands her con­di­tion to some extent. We don’t know how she under­stands it, but then it’s impos­si­ble to be cer­tain that any two peo­ple ever under­stand the world in the exact same way. Where then can the line be drawn? It’s sub­jec­tive wher­ever you place it.

  • i was appalled by the judg­ment.
    would you let a 9 year old have a child ??

    i find the entire action taken to let the child bear the baby irre­spon­si­ble and not thought through.

    is a 9 year old com­pe­tent to bring up the child ? if the baby is going to be given up for adop­tion — is the woman merely a ves­sel for bear­ing a child ?

  • We have com­ments from 7 peo­ple and votes from 9, so far. 3 for Right, 1 for Wrong, 5 for Dif­fi­cult to say.

  • Mahen­dra:

    To me the whole case seems to be about how a per­son not deemed com­pe­tent (in the legal sense of the term) of mak­ing a deci­sion should be treated in the eyes of the law. Relat­edly this news arti­cle may inter­est you as well.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/31/gary-mckinnon-loses-extradition-appeal

  • I find myself in total agree­ment with the com­men­ta­tor you have linked to (E). This is a peren­ni­ally trou­ble­some eth­i­cal dilemma. Over­all, I would sup­port the Court’s deci­sion, though I don’t know its ratio­nale. The law can­not pur­port to decide for the mother, espe­cially when she is not fully depen­dent. If the vic­tim were raped and impreg­nated while in a coma or under a ven­ti­la­tor, what would be the right sit­u­a­tion? Obvi­ously, the sit­u­a­tion would change, and the State would take full respon­si­bil­ity for the health and safety of the mother, as she is clearly not in a posi­tion to take a deci­sion. This is akin to acts taken with­out relatives’/patient’s con­sent by doc­tors in emergency/exigency, act­ing in ‘good faith’.
    You do as well as your good inten­tions allow, and take what comes next.
    As far as fetal age and rights is con­cerned, I believe the mother comes first, in case of a con­flict of inter­est, for the rea­sons you have already stated.

  • No, I meant the com­ment by Ekswitaj.

  • priya wrote:

    I find this judge­ment com­pletely futile . How can a men­tally chal­lenged woman allowed to have a baby when she is not com­pe­tent to raise her child . The court by allow­ing her to deliver the baby is adding one more orphan to the soci­ety . How can you expect any NGO to fill the place of a mother . None can take care of a child as bet­ter as a mother and the court expect­ing that from an insti­tiu­tion is some­thing which can­not be assim­i­lated . By chance if it is a girl child and she is left at the mercy of an insti­tiu­tion ..the same thing can hap­pen to her as it hap­pened to her mother ..sex­ual abuse … How can the life of the child be secure with­out a par­ent . i dont respect this judge­ment sorry! . Fur­ther we are talk­ing about the right of a woman who even dont know what a “right ” is ..she cant enjoy the moth­er­hood , she is com­pletely unaware of the whole misfortune .

  • Mahen­dra,
    You’ve done an excel­lent job in lay­ing out the whole case here. I came upon your post while look­ing for what blog­gers are say­ing about this so I can include that in my post.

    Phew! What can I say. If I start here, I’ll land up say­ing more than the orig­i­nal post :)

    I’ll keep it short. After read­ing the case in as much detail as pos­si­ble, I feel both the courts did a fair job of han­dling the case and both had the best inter­ests of the girl in mind. Some peo­ple have tried to make this into the Amer­i­can argu­ment of pro-life vs pro-choice. I don’t agree. Both the courts focused on the girl and not the child. It’s clearly pro-choice.

    Given how com­pli­cated the facts are, they made a sin­cere attempt to deal with it.

    In my read­ings of other blog posts, I find that a lot of rage is mis­di­rected because many didn’t have all the facts of the case. The more I read it, the less anger I have towards the courts.

    Anyhow…if u get a chance and time, do read my post and let me know if I missed anything.

  • Mr.Mahendra
    We can’t actu­ally com­ment on the judge­ment as it has two sides.While we see the neg­a­tive effects that their is no guar­an­tee that while the child,whose in the womb of a child(referring to the girl) will b well taken care of..she is unaware of the pre­cau­tions she should take dur­ing her preg­nancy she doesnt even knows what child birth is like more over the pain of child birth will add to her ill men­tal condition..flip side abort­ing the child against her will can b futile to her again..why kill a life when some­one can take­care of the child so there is no end to the dis­cus­sion now the deci­sion has been taken let nature takes it care.…i rally appre­ci­ate all of your efforts that we all our so con­cerned about the poor one.…

  • Do we even know who the father is? No DNA tests seem to have been con­ducted so far. Also, would the Courts ever want to give this respon­si­bil­ity to a rapist? Assum­ing that the rapist is iden­ti­fied, he should be in Court. I don’t think a con­vict can take care of a new born baby.

  • She­faly,

    For me, the key point is not the dis­abil­ity, but one’s moral stance regard­ing rights of the fetus. All the argu­ments I’ve seen for the abor­tion hinge on the con­cern for the as-yet-unborn child tak­ing prece­dence over the rights and wishes of a liv­ing mother.

    There has been debate over the rights of the fetus on this blog before, and the dif­fer­ent per­spec­tives on this con­tentious topic are well sum­ma­rized here and here. My opin­ion is the same as that of Rand’s.

    Hence, I find myself tilted in favor of the court’s opin­ion. This case is unique in that it places a pro-choice activist against the abortion.

    Whether the woman will be able to take care of the child, whether our govt/society will be able to pro­vide ade­quate sup­port, etc. are all valid con­cerns that I share. How­ever, I am not will­ing to abro­gate a woman’s right — how­ever men­tally chal­lenged she may be — for the sake of a poten­tial human being. If in the future, the child and/or the mother suf­fer dis­as­trous con­se­quences, nature will have taken its course. By inter­fer­ing and negat­ing the woman her fun­da­men­tal human right, we are assum­ing moral respon­si­bil­ity for any dis­as­trous con­se­quences aris­ing out of the abor­tion forced by us.

  • Hey, I’ve seen a num­ber of Hindi movies where the rapist is made to marry the vic­tim and raise the child, “and they live hap­pily ever after”.

  • I agree. No, the rapist has not been iden­ti­fied — in fact, as men­tioned in my post, lat­est evi­dence shows ambi­gu­ity over where the rape occurred.

  • Nita, in this case, the judg­ment was deliv­ered dur­ing the 19th week.

  • Mahen­dra, I find some def­i­n­i­tions of “rights” very sit­u­a­tional (or nar­row). Is the fetal right lim­ited to being born, or does it have a right to be born and lead a good life?

    Peo­ple have used the scope of rights in inter­est­ing ways. “Its my right to have unpro­tected sex”, then “its my right to abort”, and finally, “its my right to leave the woman” or “its my right to aban­don the child”. In iso­la­tion, these sound lovely rights, but in a holis­tic view, they are quite destructive.

  • That’s why I included sev­eral links to what I con­sider to be at least ‘rea­son­able’ inter­pre­ta­tions of rights. And I think Ekswitaj has said the last word on this, in the con­text of this case, at least.

  • //But using this argu­ment to sup­port the subject’s appeal to keep the baby, is unjustified.//
    I don’t under­stand why, and I don’t agree, but for me, the spe­cific argu­ments used by the lawyers is not that impor­tant. Lawyers will always try to make the best out of their case. I think it would be ben­e­fi­cial for us to focus on the issue in our terms rather than the argu­ments used by the respec­tive lawyers.

    //I also think that the anti-abortion argu­ment is overly ego­ist and self-congratulatory.//
    What is wrong with being ego­ist? I don’t under­stand how it is self-congratulatory.

    //What’s the plan to raise the baby?//
    Why should we have a plan that is dif­fer­ent from what the mother has?

    //I don’t under­stand how a par­ent can be absolved of her respon­si­bil­ity so easily.//
    The issue is not whether a par­ent can be absolved of such a respon­si­bil­ity, but whether we are allow­ing a woman to become a par­ent in the first place.

    //Unfortunately, women are the vic­tims – as always.//
    I find this utterly con­tra­dic­tory to what you seem to be say­ing. If we force­fully pre­vent a woman from being a mother, aren’t we turn­ing her into a vic­tim of our ideas and expectations?

  • Yes, Arun, I too think the court in this case made what can be called a prag­matic deci­sion and you’ve described it nicely.

    I don’t think this case would have reached any court if the woman had not wanted the child.

  • Well said, Ekswitaj. I can’t add any­thing fur­ther. Thank you.

  • I fully agree with every­thing you say. How­ever, I am wor­ried of what would hap­pen to the baby once it is born. While we would be cel­e­brat­ing and par­ty­ing over this hon­or­ing of rights, the baby would be left with inad­e­quate par­ent­ing — just like mil­lions of other babies in the coun­try. We have too many awful par­ents any­way, why add another par­ent who is known to be a baby herself?

    Sounds like a case of win­ning the bat­tle but los­ing the war.

  • I find this to be an appalling oversimplification.

    This is a 19 year old woman whom we have judged to be men­tally challenged.

    I have not seen any men­tion of adop­tion or any plans of sep­a­rat­ing the to-be-born child from its mother. I don’t think any­one should be plan­ning any­thing for the baby against the mother’s wishes.

  • actu­ally it isn’t. the body is of a 18 year old the mind of a 9 year old.

    this is not a woman but a child. it is appalling that she has been abused like this. it is worse that she is preg­nant. and it is tragic that she is deliv­er­ing the child.

    i only hope that it is a boy — oth­er­wise, given the nature of ‘insti­tu­tion­al­ized care’ in this coun­try — we are ask­ing for his­tory to repeat itself.

    i hope that the men who raped her — whether they are the ‘donor’ of the sperm or not — are com­pelled by the court to pay com­pen­sa­tion on a monthly basis to the upkeep of the girl and her child. Since she is 18 — and the repeated rape hap­pened prior to that maybe they can get the rapists on child rape charges !!

  • sakshi wrote:

    hey guys,Iam a child devel­op­ment stu­dent i ws told to present a report on wot ppl’s opinons bout d judgement…but its really iron­i­cal dat ol,ol of youy ppl , d soci­ety d supreme court evry1 dis­cussing bout d girl’s preg­nancy and its a big big issue now…and under this huge hipe noone reme­bers dat d poor girl with a 9 year old’s IQ has been mul­ti­pllyy raped…wot bout d pun­ish­ments given to the rapists..only 4 are caught…under this huge hipe der crime is hid­ing and dey wud be released with some minor pun­ish­ment as evry1 is wor­ried bout d girl’s pregnancy…guys d trauma and pain of rape for a men­tally chal­lenged is just d same as a nor­mal girl…and v shud put more light on d con­victs so dey dont hide behind d hipe we ol r making…

  • I too am wor­ried about the child, and there is no need to say that any­one will be cel­e­brat­ing — there is noth­ing to cel­e­brate in this tragedy.

  • It’s fair to be con­cerned about the child absolutely, and with­out social pro­grams that pro­vide appro­pri­ate sup­port the vic­tory cer­tainly is not a com­plete one.

  • She­faly,

    I can under­stand when the ‘deci­sion’ involved con­cerns or is related to other human beings. In my opin­ion, there are no other human beings this woman’s deci­sion affects. A fetus is a poten­tial, not an actual human being, and the woman’s wish or desire in this case is entirely and solely, her own.

    If it were a per­son who has bro­ken the law in some respect, like the exam­ple of the hacker, then the law has to inter­vene. I don’t under­stand how the soci­ety or the law can take mat­ters into its own hands regard­ing the pri­vate wish of a preg­nant woman.

  • > In my opin­ion, there are no other human beings this
    > woman’s deci­sion affects.
    I am not sure. If she is legally deemed incom­pe­tent to make this deci­sion, then the chances of child hav­ing fend for itself, or be in some­one else’s care is high. So from that regard, one can argue that her deci­sion cer­tainly can affect many oth­ers in the very near future.

    > I don’t under­stand how the soci­ety or the law can take
    > mat­ters into its own hands regard­ing the pri­vate wish of a
    > preg­nant woman.
    Wouldnt it depend on what the (Indian) [i]law[/i] says regard­ing the rights of a woman vs. fetus? (what does it say? I do not know).

    I mean that if we want to com­ment on where law has to inter­vene, then we must abide by what the Indian law says about the rights of a fetus. Unless you mean that laws [i]ought[/i] to not give any rights to a fetus, and thus [i]ought not[/i] inter­vene here (?)

    Arun

  • As far as I know, Indian law allows ter­mi­na­tion of preg­nancy till the fetus is 20 weeks old. Hence, a fetus younger than 20 weeks (which it was in this case) does not have any legal rights.

  • Thanks, doc. Appre­ci­ate your tak­ing the time. I think I agree with your opinion.

    What do you mean by my link­ing to a com­men­ta­tor (E)? Do you mean a link in my post or the com­ments below? (All com­ments are by the respec­tive peo­ple themselves).

  • Snigdha,

    First, thank you. This sub­ject invokes such strong pas­sions and opin­ions, that you were actu­ally the first to com­ment on how I’ve struc­tured my post. It was a dif­fi­cult one to write, given the com­plex­ity and pro­foundly grave topic, to be bal­anced as much as possible.

    I think you have done a very good post as well. I can see the effort to be as com­pre­hen­sive as pos­si­ble. I am not com­ment­ing directly on your post because the site requires a sep­a­rate reg­is­tra­tion for com­ment­ing. I don’t think you have missed anything.

    The Supreme Court of India is one of the insti­tu­tions which has retained my high­est respect. And when it over­turns a HC order, it is cer­tainly worth deep thought. As you can see from the com­ment thread above, I have also grav­i­tated towards sup­port­ing the SC’s deci­sion, while under­stand­ing the ratio­nale behind the HCs order at the same time.

  • Mahen­dra,
    Good to know you are feel­ing bet­ter now.
    I have no illu­sions about how long it must have taken you to put this post together. I too had to read sev­eral news sto­ries before I could get a fairly clear pic­ture of what was going on.
    I wished we could have some direct access to court records online.
    Yes, it was a com­plex case and from read­ing reports, it appeared to me that both the courts made a sin­cere effort to pro­tect the woman and her rights.
    I am actu­ally happy to see soci­ety engaged in a mean­ing­ful dis­cus­sion — how­ever divi­sive to address the issue of inclusiveness.

    Thank you for stop­ping by at BlogHer and read­ing my post. Appre­ci­ate the com­ment.
    [About the com­ment pol­icy on BlogHer, I did not real­ize it was that prob­lem­atic. I know they have a reg­is­tra­tion pol­icy to track traffic/readers, but I thought it was fairly sim­ple. Nita signed on to it too.
    Any­how, if it’s too cum­ber­some, let me know.]

    Keep writ­ing. :)

  • Snigdha,

    SC Judge­ments are avail­able online here. I spent more than an hour search­ing for this one, but couldn’t find it as I think it is not online yet.

    I too am happy wher­ever I could find soci­ety engaged in mean­ing­ful dis­cus­sion, but I must con­fess it was a bit rare. As I men­tioned in my post, most gen­eral pub­lic opin­ion I’ve seen is sim­ply dis­mis­sive of the SC judg­ment. What is heart­en­ing is that they are voic­ing their opin­ions on this tragedy, mean­ing they are con­cerned about this unfor­tu­nate girl and her to-be-child, which is a wel­come break in the Bollywood-caste-politics-cricket-religion-obsessed nation of ours.

    The com­ment pol­icy is not an issue of cum­ber­some­ness but of prin­ci­ple and will­ing­ness. The web has moved to open stan­dards, and most web­sites allow vis­i­tors to choose dif­fer­ent authen­ti­ca­tion mech­a­nisms to avoid spam­mers. In the blog world, Blog­ger IDs, Email, and Open ID are usu­ally suf­fi­cient for sites to fil­ter out bots and spam­mers. If each self-hosted blog site started requir­ing reg­is­tra­tions, it would become unwieldy and hence is con­sid­ered a bad prac­tice. How­ever, I will still relook at BlogHer since I think there are many won­der­ful women blog­gers there like you. :)

  • M, just wanted to let you know that I have for­warded your feed­back about the com­ment pol­icy to BlogHer.
    Mean­while, let’s keep writ­ing and dis­cussing :)